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	<title>Comments on: The MATLAB R2012b Desktop &#8211; Part 1: Introduction to the Toolstrip</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33378</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad to see what has happened with 2012b, what a shame that an excellent product leaps off a cliff.  I&#039;ve tried it, but found it much less efficient than the previous versions.  I cannot justify our continuing with it, both in terms of the learning curve and in the simple fact that it doesn&#039;t work as well as the previous versions.  

Investment of time and money is at a premium in this economic climate and wasting effort and budgets on unnecessary acclimatisation to less efficient software does not rank highly in the list of priorities any organisation will have.    We will be reinstalling 2012a and hoping that at some point a reversion to the &quot;classic&quot; form will be available in future updates (but I&#039;m not holding my breath on that...).  

I note that the annual maintenance fees have increased - to help cover the cost of this debacle?

As said by others, there seems to have been a lack of consideration of what many scientific/technical users need, a straight-forward, functional, efficient system - of which continuity plays a substantial role.  The flim-flam of ribbons is rather like some of the fashion trends of yesteryear, thought of as the pinnacle of style at the time, but merely an embarrassment with hindsight. 

I hope there is a reversion back to the classical style that provides effective functionality for users rather than pandering to misguided trends of software purveyors.  The development should be aligned with adding more algorithms and true functionality, not providing unwarranted interface changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad to see what has happened with 2012b, what a shame that an excellent product leaps off a cliff.  I&#8217;ve tried it, but found it much less efficient than the previous versions.  I cannot justify our continuing with it, both in terms of the learning curve and in the simple fact that it doesn&#8217;t work as well as the previous versions.  </p>
<p>Investment of time and money is at a premium in this economic climate and wasting effort and budgets on unnecessary acclimatisation to less efficient software does not rank highly in the list of priorities any organisation will have.    We will be reinstalling 2012a and hoping that at some point a reversion to the &#8220;classic&#8221; form will be available in future updates (but I&#8217;m not holding my breath on that&#8230;).  </p>
<p>I note that the annual maintenance fees have increased &#8211; to help cover the cost of this debacle?</p>
<p>As said by others, there seems to have been a lack of consideration of what many scientific/technical users need, a straight-forward, functional, efficient system &#8211; of which continuity plays a substantial role.  The flim-flam of ribbons is rather like some of the fashion trends of yesteryear, thought of as the pinnacle of style at the time, but merely an embarrassment with hindsight. </p>
<p>I hope there is a reversion back to the classical style that provides effective functionality for users rather than pandering to misguided trends of software purveyors.  The development should be aligned with adding more algorithms and true functionality, not providing unwarranted interface changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Julios</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33357</link>
		<dc:creator>Julios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new desktop looks completely idiotic on Mac. The new help system is a complete disaster. Not only that it misses the expandable toc but it is also missing some content. The Matlab help system was really a distinctive feature against other software alternatives. Hopefully new releases will feature an option to switch back to the old interface and documentation otherwise Matlab era ends in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new desktop looks completely idiotic on Mac. The new help system is a complete disaster. Not only that it misses the expandable toc but it is also missing some content. The Matlab help system was really a distinctive feature against other software alternatives. Hopefully new releases will feature an option to switch back to the old interface and documentation otherwise Matlab era ends in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33351</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fortunate enough to be a part of a university license.  I&#039;ll be uninstalling this &quot;upgrade&quot; and reinstalling 2012a.

The ribbon interface might be appropriate for people who are totally new to a command-prompt style interface... but for the rest of us, who structure our code and know what functions we&#039;ve built and don&#039;t need shortcuts to silly things like &quot;comment this line&quot;, the ribbon is totally pointless.

After a solid month of trying to like this new system, I&#039;m jumping ship.  The UI is sluggish, memory-hungry, and poorly laid-out.  Mathworks, I challenge you to demonstrate that ACTUAL product testing was performed for this &quot;feature&quot;.  If by &quot;passed muster within our development organization&quot; you mean &quot;we asked around the office and people didn&#039;t want to disagree with the bosses&quot;, that doesn&#039;t count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fortunate enough to be a part of a university license.  I&#8217;ll be uninstalling this &#8220;upgrade&#8221; and reinstalling 2012a.</p>
<p>The ribbon interface might be appropriate for people who are totally new to a command-prompt style interface&#8230; but for the rest of us, who structure our code and know what functions we&#8217;ve built and don&#8217;t need shortcuts to silly things like &#8220;comment this line&#8221;, the ribbon is totally pointless.</p>
<p>After a solid month of trying to like this new system, I&#8217;m jumping ship.  The UI is sluggish, memory-hungry, and poorly laid-out.  Mathworks, I challenge you to demonstrate that ACTUAL product testing was performed for this &#8220;feature&#8221;.  If by &#8220;passed muster within our development organization&#8221; you mean &#8220;we asked around the office and people didn&#8217;t want to disagree with the bosses&#8221;, that doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: HG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33342</link>
		<dc:creator>HG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a user who doesn&#039;t use toolbars anyway, I like that by hiding the ribbon and docking the path to the &#039;Current Folder&#039; window, less of my window is taken up by toolbars than before. 

To echo some good suggestions from above for future upgrades:
1. Line numbers for errors in executed code blocks,
2. Break points in code blocks,
3. A decent GUI generator,
4. The ability to view and rotate large 3D point clouds without MATLAB dying,
5. Faster start-up time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a user who doesn&#8217;t use toolbars anyway, I like that by hiding the ribbon and docking the path to the &#8216;Current Folder&#8217; window, less of my window is taken up by toolbars than before. </p>
<p>To echo some good suggestions from above for future upgrades:<br />
1. Line numbers for errors in executed code blocks,<br />
2. Break points in code blocks,<br />
3. A decent GUI generator,<br />
4. The ability to view and rotate large 3D point clouds without MATLAB dying,<br />
5. Faster start-up time.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah Dombrowski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33247</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Dombrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to chime in with Fred, above: this new interface is absolutely absurd on a Mac--an empty OS X menubar, with giant, ridiculous, less-finely-grained &#039;tabs&#039; underneath.  Why are you spending time on flashy shiny BS and not fixing bugs or adding new (code) features?!  The old interface was standard, efficient, and usable!  This is changing simply to change, and very out of touch with the ideals and workflow of the people who (try) to use Matlab for serious work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to chime in with Fred, above: this new interface is absolutely absurd on a Mac&#8211;an empty OS X menubar, with giant, ridiculous, less-finely-grained &#8216;tabs&#8217; underneath.  Why are you spending time on flashy shiny BS and not fixing bugs or adding new (code) features?!  The old interface was standard, efficient, and usable!  This is changing simply to change, and very out of touch with the ideals and workflow of the people who (try) to use Matlab for serious work.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Sigworth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33235</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Sigworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach classes using Matlab and run a research lab.  I do most of my Matlab work--processing of electron microscope images--on a Mac laptop.  I do everything I can to spare screen area so I can have the command window, editor and large enough figure windows up at the same time.  The screen space lost to toolbars in the 2012b release is a catastrophe for me--and the Mac menu bar remains unused!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach classes using Matlab and run a research lab.  I do most of my Matlab work&#8211;processing of electron microscope images&#8211;on a Mac laptop.  I do everything I can to spare screen area so I can have the command window, editor and large enough figure windows up at the same time.  The screen space lost to toolbars in the 2012b release is a catastrophe for me&#8211;and the Mac menu bar remains unused!</p>
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		<title>By: A concerned engineer on the demise of Matlab</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33226</link>
		<dc:creator>A concerned engineer on the demise of Matlab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was getting ready to update my Matlab and toolboxes, and then a friend showed me the &quot;new&quot; Matlab ribbon.  It took me no more that 5 minutes before I was barfing, gagging, coughing and spewing forth big hunks of green chunky phlegm!  

What moron could have possibly thought this was a GUI &quot;improvement&quot;?  Its just absolutely ghastly and inexcusable!  And believe it or not, I&#039;m a pretty open minded guy (a Mac user for example).

But most importantly, it PROVES what I have been claiming now for a couple of years, that the Mathworks has lost their way, and that Microsoft C++ programers have taken over the Matlab product line and apparently also the company!  These C++ programmers have no more idea than a goat what a REAL engineer needs for doing their work, and just like the fabled rhyme that &quot;to one with a hammer, everything is a nail&quot;, now too &quot;to a bored C++ Programmer everything is an Object... and now also a Ribbon!&quot;.  

Mathworks, you need to take your company BACK from the C++ programmer minions and get control back in the hands of engineers!  REAL engineers!  Fire these people because they obviously have nothing productive to do or contribute.  Get some real engineers and mathematicians back in there and let THEM program Matlab, and not these perpetrators of malice, inefficiency and confusion.

I have no other way of expressing my gross displeasure with the shear stupidity of Mathworks direction than to simply not renew my maintenance license.  Maybe money will talk.  I will stay with 2012a, and cherish it as long as possible as the last real Matlab.

Cleve, please help!  Your company has been taken over by C++ zombies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was getting ready to update my Matlab and toolboxes, and then a friend showed me the &#8220;new&#8221; Matlab ribbon.  It took me no more that 5 minutes before I was barfing, gagging, coughing and spewing forth big hunks of green chunky phlegm!  </p>
<p>What moron could have possibly thought this was a GUI &#8220;improvement&#8221;?  Its just absolutely ghastly and inexcusable!  And believe it or not, I&#8217;m a pretty open minded guy (a Mac user for example).</p>
<p>But most importantly, it PROVES what I have been claiming now for a couple of years, that the Mathworks has lost their way, and that Microsoft C++ programers have taken over the Matlab product line and apparently also the company!  These C++ programmers have no more idea than a goat what a REAL engineer needs for doing their work, and just like the fabled rhyme that &#8220;to one with a hammer, everything is a nail&#8221;, now too &#8220;to a bored C++ Programmer everything is an Object&#8230; and now also a Ribbon!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Mathworks, you need to take your company BACK from the C++ programmer minions and get control back in the hands of engineers!  REAL engineers!  Fire these people because they obviously have nothing productive to do or contribute.  Get some real engineers and mathematicians back in there and let THEM program Matlab, and not these perpetrators of malice, inefficiency and confusion.</p>
<p>I have no other way of expressing my gross displeasure with the shear stupidity of Mathworks direction than to simply not renew my maintenance license.  Maybe money will talk.  I will stay with 2012a, and cherish it as long as possible as the last real Matlab.</p>
<p>Cleve, please help!  Your company has been taken over by C++ zombies!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Stoev</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33199</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Stoev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things:

1. I don&#039;t like the new interface. It was better to develop new core numerical/math/compsci functionality. However this is not that big problem for me. I use emacs interface to matlab and as long as this works, I am OK.

2. I am worried by the fact that the new version does not support 32 bit linux. This worry started some time ago when Solaris disapeared from the list of supported OS, but now things got really acute. This is an indicator for bad things and sloppy coding practices in Mathworks. Well written code should compile on any UNIX quite easy in 32/64 bit. The fact that decision was made to remove 32 bit linux indicates that it was too expensive to maintain the code for 32/64 bit. And this is an indicator for bad code.

While I understand that most Linux users are big server clients and they have migrated to 64 bit, I am quite sure there are quite a few users, who would prefer to have 32 bit linux version available.

In short - Mathworks starts to behave not like engineering company, but like a company run by MBA-s.... I am too old to swich the product, but I will advise any students reading this to consider and invest effort to learn alternatives to Matlab. There are alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t like the new interface. It was better to develop new core numerical/math/compsci functionality. However this is not that big problem for me. I use emacs interface to matlab and as long as this works, I am OK.</p>
<p>2. I am worried by the fact that the new version does not support 32 bit linux. This worry started some time ago when Solaris disapeared from the list of supported OS, but now things got really acute. This is an indicator for bad things and sloppy coding practices in Mathworks. Well written code should compile on any UNIX quite easy in 32/64 bit. The fact that decision was made to remove 32 bit linux indicates that it was too expensive to maintain the code for 32/64 bit. And this is an indicator for bad code.</p>
<p>While I understand that most Linux users are big server clients and they have migrated to 64 bit, I am quite sure there are quite a few users, who would prefer to have 32 bit linux version available.</p>
<p>In short &#8211; Mathworks starts to behave not like engineering company, but like a company run by MBA-s&#8230;. I am too old to swich the product, but I will advise any students reading this to consider and invest effort to learn alternatives to Matlab. There are alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33195</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a disaster. Taking the menu away and forcing the ribbon down our throats. What _is_ mathworks thinking?</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mathworks.com/loren/2012/09/12/the-matlab-r2012b-desktop-part-1-introduction-to-the-toolstrip/#comment-33193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extremely disappointed in this decision. What an absolute waste of Mathworks resources. 

Looks like I will either have to downgrade or go back to &#039;matlab -nodesktop -nosplash&#039; again. Shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely disappointed in this decision. What an absolute waste of Mathworks resources. </p>
<p>Looks like I will either have to downgrade or go back to &#8216;matlab -nodesktop -nosplash&#8217; again. Shame.</p>
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